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Group mail, intro, etc.

11 messages in this thread | Started on 1999-02-24

[L-USA] Group mail, intro, etc.

From: (hoofbeads@aol.com) | Date: 1999-02-24 09:38:24 UTC
Hi everyone. I'd like to take a
second to introduce myself, but
first things first:

I messed up I think. Initially, I
subscribed to the digest, because
I feared my mailbox would be too full.
But now I want to subscribe to the
regular list and cannot figure out
how this is done. I thought un-subbing
and then re-subbing would do the
trick, but somehow I don't think
that worked... and I have no clue
if I'm still subbed or not.
Any help would be appreciated.

Daniel, thank you for the introduction.
I feel like a babe in the woods here
with all you "veterans" of letterboxing.

My name's Michelle Spalding. I'm a 37
year old woman living outside of Boulder
Colorado. I have done some horseback
orienteering in my distant past, and have
dabbled in treasure questing (Kit William's
"Masquerade" et al). I'm a professional
artist/webmistress and my other interests
include animals, glass, antiques, old movies,
and science.

Last year while invalid/recovering from a
serious illness, I read the Smithsonian
article and was so excited about it I
chattered for days. I promised myself if
I recovered fully, I would make a trip
to Dartmoor in hopes of tracking down at
least one box. I searched the web for sites
about letterboxing in the states, but came
up empty-handed. Then while organizing my
bookmarks last week, I found LetterboxUSA linked
from a Dartmoor site. So now I'm excited
all over again!

I'm brainstorming about planting my first
letterbox here in Colorado, but really
have no idea where I want to go first.
In my excitement, I went out yesterday and
purchased a box, some little notebooks,
a stamp pad and ink, some carving tools
(what fun!), and a handful of erasers
to practice on in my spare time.
Eventually, I will put together my
box, plant it, and write up clues...
but for now I'm just playing with ideas.

Sorry this letter is getting long, but
I would love to hear feedback on a
specific subject: Group or individual
opinion on custom (commercial) stamps vs.
hand-carved original stamps in letterboxes.
I truly understand the value and aesthetic
appeal of hand-carved stamps (and plan to
do my own carvings), but... there is
discussion here about box vandalism,
and so I cringe at the thought of
spending hours on a stamp only to
have it swiped or destroyed. I guess
my question is: since many people
prize collecting original stampings,
would it lessen the experience to
have a commercially-made COPY of the
original carving in the box? Additionally,
is vandalism a frequent occurence, or
just a part of the "adventure" of
letterboxing? I fear there will be two
types of letterbox vandals in Colorado:
Inconsiderate people, and militant
environmentalists... seems like those two
types comprise about 98% of the population
here. ;O)

On the subject of advertising. I dislike
them personally, and also feel they
detract from a site's quality. I haven't
been a part of the group long enough
to have strong opinions one way or the
other, but generally speaking, pop-up
ads are not worth any potential revenue
they may bring. Most people find them
annoying at the very least.

I do love the idea of special stamps as
reward/commemorative for outstanding
collections. I have NO stampings yet
(well okay, one that I made and planned to
use if we ever hopped the pond and
letterboxed on Dartmoor).

On a personal note, due to my recent disability,
I will likely be unable to access many
letterboxes that are located in excessively
rough terrain... at least for a while.
If any of you are actively planting boxes
around here and there, I would love see
clues indicate those boxes that are easily
accessible. Thank you to the clue-givers that
are descriptive about the level of terrain
difficulty in your clues.

Anyhow, I hope I get my group mail subscription
sorted out. I look very forward to taking
part in discussions here and also contributing
wherever whenever I'm able!

Michelle
http://www.gigagraphica.com/michelle/
mailto:hoofbeads@aol.com







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[L-USA] Re: Group mail, intro, etc.

From: Adrian Williams (havefeet@letterboxing.freeserve.co.uk) | Date: 1999-02-24 19:57:13 UTC
Hi and welcome
Just the person I need someone who lives in
Colorado. A customer of mine has some relatives coming over from Colorado
next week to Okehampton. I am hoping to have a stamp made up complete with
visitors book for them to take back with them. I know need a volunteer to
place the box when they bring it back over.
I knew I would find a way of getting a box out there somehow. Any takers.
Adrian
Have Feet Will Travel
Okehampton
Dartmoor
England
P.S our local paper have just done an article about me and the Smithsonian
article and boxing in the states. Will scan and post it to the list. Bit of
a local celebrity at the moment.
-----Original Message-----
From: hoofbeads@aol.com
To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
Date: 24 February 1999 09:53
Subject: [L-USA] Group mail, intro, etc.


>Hi everyone. I'd like to take a
>second to introduce myself, but
>first things first:
>
>I messed up I think. Initially, I
>subscribed to the digest, because
>I feared my mailbox would be too full.
>But now I want to subscribe to the
>regular list and cannot figure out
>how this is done. I thought un-subbing
>and then re-subbing would do the
>trick, but somehow I don't think
>that worked... and I have no clue
>if I'm still subbed or not.
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Daniel, thank you for the introduction.
>I feel like a babe in the woods here
>with all you "veterans" of letterboxing.
>
>My name's Michelle Spalding. I'm a 37
>year old woman living outside of Boulder
>Colorado. I have done some horseback
>orienteering in my distant past, and have
>dabbled in treasure questing (Kit William's
>"Masquerade" et al). I'm a professional
>artist/webmistress and my other interests
>include animals, glass, antiques, old movies,
>and science.
>
>Last year while invalid/recovering from a
>serious illness, I read the Smithsonian
>article and was so excited about it I
>chattered for days. I promised myself if
>I recovered fully, I would make a trip
>to Dartmoor in hopes of tracking down at
>least one box. I searched the web for sites
>about letterboxing in the states, but came
>up empty-handed. Then while organizing my
>bookmarks last week, I found LetterboxUSA linked
>from a Dartmoor site. So now I'm excited
>all over again!
>
>I'm brainstorming about planting my first
>letterbox here in Colorado, but really
>have no idea where I want to go first.
>In my excitement, I went out yesterday and
>purchased a box, some little notebooks,
>a stamp pad and ink, some carving tools
>(what fun!), and a handful of erasers
>to practice on in my spare time.
>Eventually, I will put together my
>box, plant it, and write up clues...
>but for now I'm just playing with ideas.
>
>Sorry this letter is getting long, but
>I would love to hear feedback on a
>specific subject: Group or individual
>opinion on custom (commercial) stamps vs.
>hand-carved original stamps in letterboxes.
>I truly understand the value and aesthetic
>appeal of hand-carved stamps (and plan to
>do my own carvings), but... there is
>discussion here about box vandalism,
>and so I cringe at the thought of
>spending hours on a stamp only to
>have it swiped or destroyed. I guess
>my question is: since many people
>prize collecting original stampings,
>would it lessen the experience to
>have a commercially-made COPY of the
>original carving in the box? Additionally,
>is vandalism a frequent occurence, or
>just a part of the "adventure" of
>letterboxing? I fear there will be two
>types of letterbox vandals in Colorado:
>Inconsiderate people, and militant
>environmentalists... seems like those two
>types comprise about 98% of the population
>here. ;O)
>
>On the subject of advertising. I dislike
>them personally, and also feel they
>detract from a site's quality. I haven't
>been a part of the group long enough
>to have strong opinions one way or the
>other, but generally speaking, pop-up
>ads are not worth any potential revenue
>they may bring. Most people find them
>annoying at the very least.
>
>I do love the idea of special stamps as
>reward/commemorative for outstanding
>collections. I have NO stampings yet
>(well okay, one that I made and planned to
>use if we ever hopped the pond and
>letterboxed on Dartmoor).
>
>On a personal note, due to my recent disability,
>I will likely be unable to access many
>letterboxes that are located in excessively
>rough terrain... at least for a while.
>If any of you are actively planting boxes
>around here and there, I would love see
>clues indicate those boxes that are easily
>accessible. Thank you to the clue-givers that
>are descriptive about the level of terrain
>difficulty in your clues.
>
>Anyhow, I hope I get my group mail subscription
>sorted out. I look very forward to taking
>part in discussions here and also contributing
>wherever whenever I'm able!
>
>Michelle
>http://www.gigagraphica.com/michelle/
>mailto:hoofbeads@aol.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[L-USA] Re: Group mail, intro, etc.

From: Marty Chamberlain (martyc@cyberdude.com) | Date: 1999-02-24 15:56:44 UTC-05:00
At 09:38 AM 2/24/99 -0000, Michelle wrote:
---snip---
>I truly understand the value and aesthetic
>appeal of hand-carved stamps (and plan to
>do my own carvings), but... there is
>discussion here about box vandalism,
>and so I cringe at the thought of
>spending hours on a stamp only to
>have it swiped or destroyed.

While I hope that none of my stamps are ever stolen or destroyed, I don't
really worry about it. It shouldn't take hours to carve a stamp. I don't
think I've spent more than 20 minutes carving a stamp yet. Your mileage
may vary, but if it's taking you hours to do a letterbox stamp, it might be
too intricate. Consider simple designs, etc. You can see some of my
"under 20 minute" stamps at http://www.users.fast.net/~martyc if you'd like
to see them.

My $0.02 USD.

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[L-USA] Re: Group mail, intro, etc.

From: (HoofBeads@aol.com) | Date: 1999-02-24 16:07:34 UTC-05:00
Adrian,

I'd love to plant your Colorado box! No,
I'd be honored! Just as long as you don't
need it planted right away. I won't have
a free schedule until toward the end of
March.

Also, I won't be able to plant any boxes
at higher altitudes than about 7k feet until
my health has fully recovered.

Will this be acceptable? If not, I'm quite
positive I can get a wilderness photog
friend of mine to plant it on his next outing.

Let me know the particulars!

Michelle
http://www.gigagraphica.com/michelle/
mailto:hoofbeads@aol.com

(is there a reason why e-groups removes a
letter in my address and replaces it with a
dash?)

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[L-USA] Re: Group mail, intro, etc.

From: (HoofBeads@aol.com) | Date: 1999-02-24 16:34:03 UTC-05:00

In a message dated 2/24/99 2:07:53 PM, martyc@cyberdude.com writes:

>It shouldn't take hours to carve a stamp.
>I don't think I've spent more than 20
>minutes carving a stamp yet. Your mileage
>may vary, but if it's taking you hours
>to do a letterbox stamp, it might be
>too intricate.

Oh darn. You took the wind out of my sails.
There's nothing I love more than fussing
for hours over an art project. I admit part
of the appeal of letterboxing for me is
creating cool original artwork. Now you tell
me I should keep it under 20 minutes?
I don't know if I have it in me. ;OD

I'm new to this stamp-carving thing. With
some practice and inspiration I'll get the
hang of it. I may even come to enjoy
the "limited edition" aspect of hand-carved
stamps gone missing. Replacing them with
new editions may not be so bad after all.
See? I'm getting past my fears already.

BTW, I love your stamps! Thanks for sharing
ideas with me.

Michelle
http://www.gigagraphica.com/michelle/
mailto:hoofbeads@aol.com

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[L-USA] Re: Group mail, intro, etc.

From: Thom Cheney (tcgrafx@imagina.com) | Date: 1999-02-24 14:11:34 UTC-08:00
HoofBeads@aol.com wrote:
>
>Now you tell
> me I should keep it under 20 minutes?
> I don't know if I have it in me. ;OD

now... don't go and lop off a finger trying to beat his time!!

as for hiding the box.... don't spend so much time worrying about where
it should go... there are probably 20 - 30 good spots near where you
are. I have planted one so far away that it is a chore to go check on
it. Think of someplace you can get to in less than an hour & without
requiring offroad or climbing equipment (I pretty much messed up on all
3 of those hints for my first box). The duelling boxes Mitch and I have
placed near home have been much more fun & I check them every once in
awhile when I walk the dog. We have had some sad losses in highly
public areas within this group, so I wouldn't recommend placing it under
a bench in your local mall.... but it can be as much fun to look in a
local park as out on some distant vista that took 4 days of planning and
3 of driving to accomplish.

happy boxing

--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

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[L-USA] Re: Group mail, intro, etc.

From: (letterboxr@aol.com) | Date: 1999-02-24 22:36:30 UTC
Michelle wrote:

> (is there a reason why e-groups removes a
> letter in my address and replaces it with a
> dash?)

Michelle,
This is done to foil the spam-bots... insipid
machines that spend their days combing the
Internet for email addresses so they can send
us all multitudes of junk mail.

Those of us who have taken the time to register
with e-groups can still respond directly to you.
(see our FAQ list at www.pclink.com/elf/faq.txt)

Der Mad Stamper

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[L-USA] Re: Group mail, intro, etc.

From: (MixtMedia@aol.com) | Date: 1999-02-24 23:42:32 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 2/24/99 3:07:54 PM Central Standard Time,
martyc@cyberdude.com writes:

> It shouldn't take hours to carve a stamp. I don't
> think I've spent more than 20 minutes carving a stamp yet.
> Your mileage may vary, but if it's taking you hours to do a
> letterbox stamp, it might be too intricate.

"Whoa there, Red Rider!" My two cents says that the whole
concept should remain individual! There are some who may
carve out a gorgeous stamp in 20 minutes or less, and those of us,
ahem... who take 20 minutes to just get ready to carve a
stamp! It's all OK! I don't think everyone should have the
same goals. My suggestion would be that you do as
your heart desires, and if it takes a long time ~ make a camera
ready copy and have it made into a rubber stamp. Then if it goes
missing, and you aren't ready to let it go, you can replace it
easily and still have your hand-carved gem in hand.
To address the original question about hand-carved versus
commercial, or even ("original hand-carved stamp" or "RS copy
of hand-carved stamp") ~ my opinion is that while a hand-carved
image will have a certain cachet, most people will not turn up
their noses at any stamp, hand-carved or commercial. I don't think
that we have an "official" group answer to this question, nor do I
think we should. I believe that L-USA should provide instruction
in the crafts and skills involved in letterboxing, guidelines for
"playing" in the USA, good-spirited conversation and friendly
advice, but not strict rules and regs, even implied, about what
kind of stamps to place, what kind of imagery or words should
be on them, what kinds of clues should be written, or where the
boxes should be placed.
Deborah

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[L-USA] Re: Group mail, intro, etc.

From: Marty Chamberlain (martyc@cyberdude.com) | Date: 1999-02-25 15:52:31 UTC-05:00
At 11:42 PM 2/24/99 EST, Deborah wrote:
>"Whoa there, Red Rider!" My two cents says that the whole
>concept should remain individual! There are some who may
>carve out a gorgeous stamp in 20 minutes or less, and those of us,
>ahem... who take 20 minutes to just get ready to carve a
>stamp! It's all OK! I don't think everyone should have the
>same goals.

I agree 100% (though I carve not-so-gorgeous stamps!). Your stamps are
works of art! Let's just say we're from different "schools" of carving.
I'm definitely in the Q.A.D. school (Quick And Dirty).

Marty

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[L-USA] Re: Group mail, intro, etc.

From: (jdewolf@mail.icrsurvey.com) | Date: 1999-02-25 21:12:29 UTC
<3.0.5.32.19990225155231.007cf6c-@pop.fast.net> wrote:

> I'm definitely in the Q.A.D. school (Quick And Dirty).
>
> Marty
>
For QAD, I think your stamps are very pretty.

JDW
"Der Wolf"

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[L-USA] Re: Group mail, intro, etc.

From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) | Date: 1999-02-25 20:22:44 UTC-06:00
Marty Chamberlain wrote:
>
> At 11:42 PM 2/24/99 EST, Deborah wrote:
> >"Whoa there, Red Rider!" My two cents says that the whole
> >concept should remain individual! There are some who may
> >carve out a gorgeous stamp in 20 minutes or less, and those of us,
> >ahem... who take 20 minutes to just get ready to carve a
> >stamp! It's all OK! I don't think everyone should have the
> >same goals.
>
> I agree 100% (though I carve not-so-gorgeous stamps!). Your stamps
> are works of art! Let's just say we're from different "schools" of > carving.
> I'm definitely in the Q.A.D. school (Quick And Dirty).

I'm not in a school at all. I had somebody else make my first stamp
(it was from my drawing at least) and the next 2 stamps I bought at
a gift shop.

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